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    Default Smart Filter All/Any limitations

    Before I tell you what I'm missing in Mezzmo 5 I rather tell what I would like to accomplish because someone here online might find an idea how to accomplish this otherwise.

    In the "Genre" of movies there is no specific "children" genre. There is "animation, Family, etc"but nothing specific for children.
    There's also content rating, but it's different for many countries.

    So I want to have a list of animations, which is only valid for "children" Which doesn't exist as genre so either I go over thousands of files manually and edit the media info manually
    or I use the content rating.

    But here I might consider: PG G or PG-13 all 3 considered "Children"
    but also between countries saying:
    P, G, PG, U, FSK 0, FSK 6, ALL, APTA, etc = Children.

    So I might want to use the "smart list filter" and set it to "any"

    However, I want to limit it only to the genre: "Animation"
    for which I had to use "all" which basically means: AND
    the "any" basically means OR

    So what I would need would be a combination of AND/OR

    Say:
    IF ( (genre == "Animation" ) && (cert == "P" || cert == "G" || cert == "PG" || cert == "U" )
    That would be what I actually would need.

    At the same time, those included here, I would have to "exclude" from the list for adults.
    But here I also have already some "AND" rules where I would also need some "OR" possibilities together with the AND.

    So.. any ideas how to accomplish that without requesting a new feature for mezzmo 5?

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    I'm not sure how many problems you think you have. They sound like:

    1. No 'Children' genre.
    2. Lots of work to classify your movies.
    3. What about children accessing other stuff?
    4. Multiple 'ands' and 'ors' in filters.

    I can't help with 3 and 4, but have ideas for 1 and 2.

    For 1 - there is nothing to prevent you specifying movies as having a genre of 'Children'. Just create an nfo file and put it in there. I've got genres of 'Next To Watch', and 'Wife's Favourites'.

    Care is needed to set your options as to where you get text metadata from.

    In order to do create the nfo files, and covering 2 as well, use two tools - Tiny Media Manager to generate the nfo files and do the initial population. (batch process)

    Assuming that the 'Children' stuff is approximately in separate folders, use Text Crawler 3 to add the Children genre to all the relevant nfo files (batch process).

    By the way, you don't have a good system for organising TV Series, do you?
    Last edited by SolihullRog; 12-29-2015 at 04:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolihullRog View Post
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    Hi SolihullRog,

    thank you for your answer.

    Later yesterday evening I figured the same:'easier to add "children" manually using Media Companian.

    There aren't that many movies I want into the Children section anyway.

    And newly added, well won't be that much work to add a custom genre to each movie where it applies in my situation.

    as for the series,

    yes and no. I'm content with how the series are organized right now
    basically I have 3 series smartlists
    1 for adults
    1 for children
    1 for documentaries

    Documentary series have as smart filter:
    category TV Show
    Genre Documentary

    these 2 settings work perfect using thetvdb.com as source for media companion to get all the media info


    Adult series has as smart filters:
    category tv show
    genre does not contain documentary
    genre does not contain children

    the children series has as smart filters:
    category tv show
    genre contain children
    genre does not contain documentary

    I'm sure there might be series out there, where this might get a conflict with the "children" and "documentary"
    but as for my tv shows they are all organized properly the way I want them.


    The real problem is actually with the movies.

    I want children movies seperated from adult stuff (not that children can't watch adult stuff here, they don't want to look at Aliens or Terminator anyway, but it's easier for me to navigate for them if they want something)

    So my first was to have animation and family = children stuff.
    But harry potter then also turns out to be for the kids, however I like those movies myself as well
    So I thought they should be under adult and not under kids. Also I'm not 100% sure if every scene is in fact appropriate.
    But emotions and thoughts aside, what was left would be animated stuff for children only, but without real artists.
    So, roger rabbit be adult, harry potter adult, but snow white from the fifties be children.

    But then I had some animations in the adult section, which should be in the children sections..

    I guess not everything on IMDB or thetvdb is always properly set to the genre.

    I also noticed some movies 1, 2, 3, 4.. have different genres set in IMDB and theTVDB

    can't remember exactly which, but let's say:
    terminator 1 has genre action while terminator II on IMDB has not this genre (can't remember exactly which conflicts there are, but this is just an example)
    so, if a movie-series of 3-5 movies have all different genres, especially if a few are "family" but 1 or 2 are not "Family" that totally
    screws up my database logic.

    so in the end, I came to the same conclusion as you did:
    easier to just put a new genre "children" wherever I want it and keep the rest under adult.

    Especially since I don't want 4+ different "movie" smart lists.

    So, right now with setting children manually
    I have
    adult - movies
    children - movies
    adult - series
    children - series

    and this works just great this way.
    all problems solved by using the same logic you mentioned:'add a custom genre manually'

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    Thanks. It'll take me a while to absorb all that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgenie View Post
    Before I tell you what I'm missing in Mezzmo 5 I rather tell what I would like to accomplish because someone here online might find an idea how to accomplish this otherwise.

    In the "Genre" of movies there is no specific "children" genre. There is "animation, Family, etc"but nothing specific for children.
    There's also content rating, but it's different for many countries.

    So I want to have a list of animations, which is only valid for "children" Which doesn't exist as genre so either I go over thousands of files manually and edit the media info manually
    or I use the content rating.

    But here I might consider: PG G or PG-13 all 3 considered "Children"
    but also between countries saying:
    P, G, PG, U, FSK 0, FSK 6, ALL, APTA, etc = Children.

    So I might want to use the "smart list filter" and set it to "any"

    However, I want to limit it only to the genre: "Animation"
    for which I had to use "all" which basically means: AND
    the "any" basically means OR

    So what I would need would be a combination of AND/OR

    Say:
    IF ( (genre == "Animation" ) && (cert == "P" || cert == "G" || cert == "PG" || cert == "U" )
    That would be what I actually would need.

    At the same time, those included here, I would have to "exclude" from the list for adults.
    But here I also have already some "AND" rules where I would also need some "OR" possibilities together with the AND.

    So.. any ideas how to accomplish that without requesting a new feature for mezzmo 5?
    Boolean logic says that a positive OR statement can be rewritten as a negative AND statement. The problem is that we aren't used to normally thinking that way. So a way to apply this to your problem might be something like this:

    A smart playlist with the following conditions:

    Genre = Animation
    Content Rating does not contain R
    Content Rating does not contain Not Rated
    Content Rating does not contain anything else you want to exclude

    You can also add file path, keyword inclusions/exclusions etc while this is all an AND statement. The only downside of this approach is that you must explicitly declare what to exclude but with a little trial and error it shouldn't that that difficult.

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    I think I'm missing something in your setup - what does mezzmo have to do with BubbleUPnP server? Does PlugPlayer not discover the BubbleUPnP server on your local network?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbinkley60 View Post
    Boolean logic says that a positive OR statement can be rewritten as a negative AND statement.
    positive OR
    0 0 = 0
    1 0 = 1
    0 1 = 1
    1 1 = 1

    Negative AND
    0 0 = 1
    1 0 = 1
    0 1 = 1
    1 1 = 0

    Thus !&& == || is a wrong assumption, imho. Unless I'm missing something?

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    I beg your pardon. What's BubbleUPnP? Never even heard of it.

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